Tuesday, July 11, 2006

New York Times

All,

It's been a couple of weeks now since the New York Times and LA Times released stories about tracking terror finances. According to each paper these programs were classified at the time the papers went to print.

What I want to do is get a feel for where you all stand on this?

16 comments:

Orhan Kahn said...

I truly believe the thick of the world feels sorry for American people, for so many reasons.

Take care.

Osgiliath said...

I'm not sure I follow you, what do you mean that most of the world feels sorry for the American people? Why do they feel sorry for the American people?

Lefty Metalhead said...

We have a free press thanks to the Constitution. Why are conservatives, who frequently self-proclaim themselves as protectors of the Constitution, bashing the press when it is simply doing its job?

BigNewsDay said...

The papers did not leak the information, they just did their job.
Someone on Bush's staff leaked the information. Go figure!

Osgiliath said...

Lefty

So is it the job of the press to inform the American people and the terrorists of classified projects that the government is involved in to round up terrorists?

Where does the line of freedom of the press end? Is it OK for them to start publishing information about covert operatives both their real and assumed names, locations and purpose of their mission?

Bignewsday

The leaks came from the NSA, not the White House. Bush and the White House have nothing to do with the vetting or employment process of 99.99999% of the staff at the NSA.

BigNewsDay said...

I'm sorry, I meant to say the Executive Branch.


Where does the line of freedom of the press end?

It doesn't. The First Amendment doesnt stipulate exceptions to free speech.

Is it OK for them to start publishing information about covert operatives both their real and assumed names, locations and purpose of their mission?

They should not be given this information in the first place. It isn't the presses fault. It is the fault of the entity that leaked the information to the press.

Osgiliath said...

It doesn't. The First Amendment doesnt stipulate exceptions to free speech.

No, but other laws do. Hate Crime laws come readily to mind. I believe that the treason laws also make exceptions to free speech.

They should not be given this information in the first place. It isn't the presses fault. It is the fault of the entity that leaked the information to the press.

So the press bears no responsibility for publishing classified information?

I seem to recall many Democrats expressing outrage over the Valerie Plame affair, why the 'whatever' attitude over this one?

BigNewsDay said...

So the press bears no responsibility for publishing classified information?

Once the press has the information, it is no longer classified.

I seem to recall many Democrats expressing outrage over the Valerie Plame affair, why the 'whatever' attitude over this one?

Not angry at the press, but at the individuals in the Executive Branch for leaking the information.

BigNewsDay said...

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Osgiliath said...

Once the press has the information, it is no longer classified.

Not true, The information is still classified until and unless either A) the original marking authority declassifies it or B) the knowledge is disseminated to a large number of people vis a vis a newspaper printing it.

Yes, I've read the first Amendment many times. However, there are many forms of speech not covered by the First Amendment. I've already mentioned Hate crimes, I'll take advantage of this to mention indecency laws and time restriction laws (no loud music after 10PM).

All of these have stood up in court as forms of speech not covered by the First Amendment.


Back to the topic at hand - I have not claimed that what the press did what illegal, but at what point should we (I guess that should read you Democrats) decide that the press has exceeded it's moral authority and actually gone out of it's way to harm the US in it's rush to go to press?

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