Monday, February 13, 2006

Yet more liberal lunacy

England is looking to impose a ban on smoking in public places.

As a smoker I tend to disagree with these indoor smoking bans as I find it a major inconvienience and nuisance to not be able to smoke at a bar. I personally feel that it should be up to the owners of these establishments on whether or not to allow smoking and from there the public can decide which type of establishment it wants to support.

I can also understand the point of view of the non-smokers as cigarette smoke is rather nasty to a non smoker (it bothers me at times). There isn't an answer that will make everyone happy with regards to smoking and "smokers rights"

But I feel that this comment in regards to the proposed smoking ban in the England pretty much sums up why I mistrust those on the left hand side of the spectrum

"Barron (Labour MP) said the government had been too concerned by public opinion and not health implications."

Any government that doesn't listen to what it's public wants and flat out imposes it's will for "the betterment of the people" is so marginally removed from an autocracy (or an oligarchy in the case of the UK) that it's not even amusing.

This is the kind of mindset that undermines the American way of life and I see the Democrats constantly and consistantly taking the view of "we know better than you do, so do what we say" attitude towards most everything.


BlackLabelAxe said...

Yeah, here's another nasty debate that is reincarnated here in the smoking ban.

Public opinion (at least in America) would show smokers in the minority. That doesn't mean that smokers don't still have their right to smoke.

The only answer to this that brings freedom is just like Os said, and let bar owners decide if their establishment will be smoke-free or not.

The last time we saw this in America was in the lead-up to the Civil War. The farming tariffs placed on southern states made commerce unfair for southerners, but since the north was far more populous, they were able to use their democratic majority to uphold and expand these taxes until they got so tired of it that they seceeded from the US altogether.

The abuse of smoker's rights is not regional, but it is an important issue and it will show the character of our courts and our lawmakers. I don't know if I'd blame it on liberalism and the liberal agenda, because conservatives can just as easily use their majority to steamroll the rights of the liberal minority.

Personally, I have never smoked, and I don't like being around people when they are. I would never complain to anybody but myself about a bar being too smokey for my liking, because I did choose to go there.

Osgiliath said...


That generally tends to be my view of it. I personally don't smoke in restaurants as I normally visit these places with my kids and don't want to expose them to it. But I'll be damned if I can't smoke in a bar whose only reason for existing is to serve alcohol.

IO'm impressed at your inclusion of the Civil War, it's nice to finally see someone else type the truth about the causes instead of the BS slavery issue.

Kull said...

I smoke pipe and cigar and I AM ABLE to decide when to smoke and when not to.

Smoking bans I could care less for, when I want to smoke and drink I invite or go to a friend('s).

Problem with the 'wonderful' western society it's with its ABSOLUTE INCAPACITY of exercising self control.

You're either an anorexic or a bulimic, a boozer or a teetoetaller, an obese lardass or a fitness junkie, a sex-fiend or a sanctimonious prurient.

This because our 'wonderful-lifestyle-of-freedom' puts our worse istincts (greed, fear, obsessions...and their opposites) on the market to be exploited by tobacco corporations, churches, porn industry, churches (yes, twice since churches are so bad for you you need twice the warning), junk food chains, 'health' corporations and so on.

I smoke when I decide to
I eat what I decide to
I excercise when I feel like

and I refuse to be manipulated by anyone.